("Quid coniuratio est?")
Troy Underhill on KSFO Radio
July 19, 1995
Troy Underhill, of Media Bypass magazine, was the guest on a radio show out of the San Francisco area recently. He discussed the explosive James R. Norman article, "Fostergate" (in the current issue of Media Bypass; phone 1-800-4BYPASS to order).
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GEOFF METCALF:
The mainstream media.
TROY UNDERHILL:
The mainstream media.
You know, we're all supposed to be...
GEOFF METCALF:
The mainstream media that your magazine bypasses! [laughs]
TROY UNDERHILL:
That is correct. They are chiming the same tune. And, of course,
they spiked it. We ran it.
But the man is "sticking by his guns" -- Mr. Norman -- and I applaud him. And this is something that, of course, you read, we put the White House response letter in our magazine, from Michael McCurry.
GEOFF METCALF:
And I tell you what: we're gonna share that with our listeners in
a moment. (First we have some business to do.)
[...break...]
...Media Bypass magazine. And I told our listeners, Troy, I'd share with them the response that the White House provided to Mr. Norman back in April, when he asked for clarification on it. And it's a quick letter. It just says that
Dear Mr. Norman:
This letter responds to your April 17th, 1995 request.
The allegations contained in your request are outrageous. Publication of these false allegations will discredit [Forbes], maliciously tarnish the reputation of Vince Foster, and cause great pain to Mr. Foster's wife and family.
Should [Forbes] insist on publishing these baseless allegations, we insist that the <<blank>> have a pre- publication meeting with Jean Chervern(sp?) of the White House counsel's office and a personal representative of the president and first lady.
David E. Kendall(sp?)
William & Connolly(sp?)
(And he provides the phone numbers for Ms. Chervern... And the numbers are printed here, in the magazine!)
They were ticked! And apparently their concern was that such a story would tarnish the reputation of Vince Foster and bring great pain to his family. Notwithstanding the fact that, if this stuff is... and it is documented! How can you ignore it?
Troy, how do they respond to this?
TROY UNDERHILL:
For one thing, the reason we put the phone numbers in there was,
we're nothing more than a public service to the American people,
if they may want to...
GEOFF METCALF:
Well I thought you put 'em in there to "crunch their cookies"!
TROY UNDERHILL:
Ummm... I'll let you use those words.
GEOFF METCALF:
I just did.
TROY UNDERHILL:
But the simple fact of the matter is (and I'm gonna keep goin'
back to this, Jeff): we can bring this out to the American
people. I'm hoping, within the next couple of weeks, Forbes
will, on their op-ed page, write on this very subject. The fact
of the matter is, in this country, what we are dealing with is
some of the most criminal elements of this country not being the
guy down the street that steals a loaf of bread (though he is a
criminal). We're dealing with our politicians, the men and women
who run our country, benefiting where you and I have to make it
the old-fashioned way: we have to get out and sweat, and we have
to earn it the hard way. And...
GEOFF METCALF:
Well all the spin on Vince Foster was he was "squeeky clean" "Mr.
Nice Guy" -- and never any mention of the fact that he had $2.73
million squirreled away in some Swiss bank account.
TROY UNDERHILL:
Where was the media!? Where was the media... You know, how they
went after, let's say, a guy like Mr. Nixon? They just tore him
to pieces. And hell, he resigned over it! Over what they were
comin' after him for. Where was the media when Mr. Foster died? A
couple days of information, then just carry on as if nothing
happened. And here we're dealing with the highest-ranking
government official to die under mysterious circumstances since
John F. Kennedy! And we get two or three days mention in the
press, and it's just brushed over.
There's something really wrong in this country, Geoff. There's something really...
GEOFF METCALF:
One of the constant concerns that a lot of our listeners have
articulated is, that with Vince Foster, with... You go back to
Ruby Ridge. It seems like it started with Ruby Ridge, it got
worse at Waco. Oklahoma City. It's not so much that anyone is
saying, "Hey! Yeah, yeah. This is a conspiracy." But questions
that reasonable people would ask, aren't being asked!!
TROY UNDERHILL:
Yeah, look at what happened, what the BATF was just caught at
down in Tennessee (I'm sure you're aware of that), with what --
and I'm gonna quote -- the "nigger hunting licenses" they were
selling.
GEOFF METCALF:
...was talking about that on the air yesterday and today.
TROY UNDERHILL:
Well, let me tell ya this. The gentlemen, the men down there that
got into this and filmed it (and I'm talkin' on video tape, and
photographs)... One of the men, that happens to be a subscriber
to our magazine, we got the exclusive, over the weekend. We have
the video footage. And when you see the 24-man color portrait of
all these BATF guys -- some of them are even wearing their BATF
shirts -- flipping "the finger" off at the camera, holding up
their "nigger hunting license". And we ask, where in the hell
is Peter Jennings, Dan Rather, Tom Brokaw, and Ted Turner? It's a
travesty in the United States of America when the American people
can't be given this information. It was two months ago that every
militia, patriot, constitutionalist -- anyone that had a
fundamentalist view in this country, or just a constitutional,
legal view in this country, were "radical", "right wing",
"paranoid", para-military; they were anti-government. And yet
when we have it on film, documented proof, on videotape --
nothin'.
GEOFF METCALF:
Troy, I've got to take a brief pause and do some business. But it
all goes back to the old "Metcalfism". And that is, that they
don't want to be confused with facts that already contradict
their pre-conceived opinion.
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We are speaking with Troy Underhill about this "Fostergate" story.
The biggest question that I have, obviously, is now that the story is out, what, if any, kind of reaction we're going to get -- particularly because, right now, the Senate is going through their dog-and-pony show: "Whitewater II: The Senate Hearings". And since this is obviously so directly linked to what happened and why things might have happened, what (if anything) of this story is introduced into the Whitewater hearings is going to be most interesting.
TROY UNDERHILL:
The one thing that I've been able to see is how they keep
talkin', Mr. D'Amato keeps talkin' about "What were those
documents?" "What were the documents that were taken out of Vince
Foster's office?" Sources say that Webb Hubbell has handed over
those documents to Kenn Starr. But that doesn't make me feel any
better, Geoff, with Mr. Starr at the helm of this investigation.
We have to go back and look at Mr. Rodriguez, who was brought in
by the independent counsel to head up the Vince Foster grand jury
investigation. And he quit! Because he was bein' pressured. Last
night, Reed Irvine of Accuracy In Media was on with Ted Koppel,
tellin' Ted the same thing. 'Cuz Ted kept saying, "Well how does
all these government agencies, how do they all cover it up? I can
understand one or two, but how do they all cover it up? Is there
some kind of conspiracy? Are they conspiring?"
GEOFF METCALF:
You know, the media's lazy, for one thing. And Reed's done a real
good job of pointing that out.
[...to be continued...]
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